I mentioned that I'd been doing some reading on Intelligent Design over lunch. I said that I hate to refer to these people as ID'ers, because they aren't the designer(s) in question.
The reaction was "nor are they intelligent". Also, "Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity."
My reply was that at least one ID'er was obviously very careful, and managed to use, on average, more than one specious argument (pun intended without apology) per sentence. It's hard to even know where to begin to argue with it. With someone that smart, concluding malice is unavoidable.
To which, the guys said, "Well, then, they're dammed to Hell."
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